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Re: [802SEC] +++ 30 day EC email ballot ++++ Proposed changes to 802 P&P

Approve but with comment:

There seems to be a conflict between 8.3.2 Subgroup public statements (which isn't modifiable) and the OM Clause 8 - unless one takes the position that the communications covered by OM Clause 8 aren't public statements - because this P&P 8.3.2 requires that subgroup public statements be approved by the sponsor but OM Clause 8 just requires that subgroup communications to other standards bodies be copied to the sponsor and to government bodies be subject to 5 day review and possible motion to block. 

-----Original Message-----
From: ***** IEEE 802 Executive Committee List ***** [] On Behalf Of James P. K. Gilb
Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2013 1:40 PM
Subject: Re: [802SEC] +++ 30 day EC email ballot ++++ Proposed changes to 802 P&P


Updated vote tally, as of 13:35 PDT, the ballot is scheduled to close 

The ballot is currently passing as it requires 13 approve votes to pass 
(see below) and there are currently 12 approve votes plus the Chair has 
conditionally voted approve, if his vote would change the outcome.  The 
current tally is:

Voter:                     APP    DIS    ABS    DNV
   CH Paul Nikolich         APP (if vote would change outcome)
   VC Pat Thaler                                 DNV
   VC James Gilb            APP
   ES Jon Rosdahl           APP
   RS John D'Ambrosia       APP
   TR Clint Chaplin         APP
   01 Tony Jeffree          APP
   03 David Law                                  DNV
   11 Bruce Kraemer         APP
   15 Bob Heile             APP
   16 Roger Marks           APP
   18 Mike Lynch            APP
   19 Steve Shellhammer     APP
   21 Subir Das             APP
   22 Apurva Mody           APP
   24 James Gilb           (can only vote once) 
      TOTALS                13     0      0       2

If you have not voted, please consider voting.

As a reminder, the criteria to pass is 2/3 of all members.  We have a 6 
officers (including the Chair), 10 WG/TAG chairs (but the 802.24 
Chair/2nd Vice Chair counts as only one member, not two) and 4 
non-voting members (2 chairs of hibernating working groups and 2 members 
emeritus) for a total of 19 members.  2/3 of this is 13.

If this ballot passes, then once the new P&P is posted by AudCom, the 
criteria for future changes will be 2/3 of all voting members (currently 
15), which would be 10 with our current voting membership.

James Gilb

On 12/03/2012 02:24 PM, James P. K. Gilb wrote:
> 802 EC members
> Background:
> We received a comment on our proposed P&P.  In our old P&P, public
> statements require only majority vote, however in the new baseline, they
> require super majority vote.
> In keeping with our old P&P, I had moved this from super majority to
> simple majority.   However, in that baseline, the super majority items
> are not allowed to be moved to simple majority.
> Hence, I have posted a new proposed P&P to mentor at
> and I have attached a copy as well.
> Motion:
> This email serves as the submission 30 days in advance of the conclusion
> of an electronic ballot to approve them.  I propose the following motion
> to be confirmed by an EC electronic ballot that concludes on January 3,
> 2013:
> -------------
> This motion is proposed using the process defined in "Revision of
> Sponsor P&P" in our currently approved Sponsor P&P.
> Moved: The 802 EC approves the document ec-12-0084-00-00EC as the IEEE
> 802 LMSC Policies and Procedures that will be submitted to AudCom for
> approval, with editorial changes allowed.
> Moved: James Gilb
> Second: Jon Rosdahl
> ------------
> Reference, from Clause 12 of IEEE 802's approved P&P:
> 12 Revision of Sponsor P&P
> Revisions to these P&P shall be submitted to the sponsor no less than 30
> day in advance of a motion (or conclusion of an electronic ballot) to
> approve them. Amendments in response to comments on the P&P are
> permitted. Insufficient time to consider complex amendments is a valid
> reason to vote disapprove. A motion to revise the Sponsor P&P shall
> require a vote of approve by at least two thirds of all members of the
> Sponsor.
> Second Vice Chair's note regarding threshold for passing the motion:
> We have 5 officers, 9 WG/TAG chairs, 2 chairs of hibernating WGs and 2
> member emeriti
>   - 10 WGs/TAGs, but count Gilb in officers, not as TAG chair
>   - 18 members, 2/3 approval is 12 affirmative votes
> James Gilb
> IEEE 802 Second Vice Chair

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