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Re: [802SEC] +++ 30 day EC email ballot ++++ Proposed changes to 802 P&P


We might need to take some time to align the OM with the P&P. My goal is not to modify the P&P any more.

James Gilb

On 01/02/2013 06:07 PM, Pat Thaler wrote:
Approve but with comment:

There seems to be a conflict between 8.3.2 Subgroup public statements
(which isn't modifiable) and the OM Clause 8 - unless one takes the
position that the communications covered by OM Clause 8 aren't public
statements - because this P&P 8.3.2 requires that subgroup public
statements be approved by the sponsor but OM Clause 8 just requires
that subgroup communications to other standards bodies be copied to
the sponsor and to government bodies be subject to 5 day review and
possible motion to block.

Regards, Pat -----Original Message----- From: ***** IEEE 802
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Behalf Of James P. K. Gilb Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2013 1:40 PM
To: STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [802SEC] +++ 30 day
EC email ballot ++++ Proposed changes to 802 P&P


Updated vote tally, as of 13:35 PDT, the ballot is scheduled to
close tonight.

The ballot is currently passing as it requires 13 approve votes to
pass (see below) and there are currently 12 approve votes plus the
Chair has conditionally voted approve, if his vote would change the
outcome.  The current tally is:

Voter:                     APP    DIS    ABS    DNV
-------------------------------------------------- CH Paul Nikolich
APP (if vote would change outcome) VC Pat Thaler
DNV VC James Gilb            APP ES Jon Rosdahl           APP RS John
D'Ambrosia       APP TR Clint Chaplin         APP 01 Tony Jeffree
APP 03 David Law                                  DNV 11 Bruce
Kraemer         APP 15 Bob Heile             APP 16 Roger Marks
APP 18 Mike Lynch            APP 19 Steve Shellhammer     APP 21
Subir Das             APP 22 Apurva Mody           APP 24 James Gilb
(can only vote once)
--------------------------------------------------- TOTALS
13     0      0       2

If you have not voted, please consider voting.

As a reminder, the criteria to pass is 2/3 of all members.  We have a
6 officers (including the Chair), 10 WG/TAG chairs (but the 802.24
Chair/2nd Vice Chair counts as only one member, not two) and 4
non-voting members (2 chairs of hibernating working groups and 2
members emeritus) for a total of 19 members.  2/3 of this is 13.

If this ballot passes, then once the new P&P is posted by AudCom,
the criteria for future changes will be 2/3 of all voting members
(currently 15), which would be 10 with our current voting

James Gilb

On 12/03/2012 02:24 PM, James P. K. Gilb wrote:
802 EC members

Background: We received a comment on our proposed P&P.  In our old
P&P, public statements require only majority vote, however in the
new baseline, they require super majority vote.

In keeping with our old P&P, I had moved this from super majority
to simple majority.   However, in that baseline, the super majority
items are not allowed to be moved to simple majority.

Hence, I have posted a new proposed P&P to mentor at

and I have attached a copy as well.

Motion: This email serves as the submission 30 days in advance of
the conclusion of an electronic ballot to approve them.  I propose
the following motion to be confirmed by an EC electronic ballot
that concludes on January 3, 2013:

------------- This motion is proposed using the process defined in
"Revision of Sponsor P&P" in our currently approved Sponsor P&P.

Moved: The 802 EC approves the document ec-12-0084-00-00EC as the
IEEE 802 LMSC Policies and Procedures that will be submitted to
AudCom for approval, with editorial changes allowed.

Moved: James Gilb Second: Jon Rosdahl ------------

Reference, from Clause 12 of IEEE 802's approved P&P:

12 Revision of Sponsor P&P

Revisions to these P&P shall be submitted to the sponsor no less
than 30 day in advance of a motion (or conclusion of an electronic
ballot) to approve them. Amendments in response to comments on the
P&P are permitted. Insufficient time to consider complex amendments
is a valid reason to vote disapprove. A motion to revise the
Sponsor P&P shall require a vote of approve by at least two thirds
of all members of the Sponsor.

Second Vice Chair's note regarding threshold for passing the
motion: We have 5 officers, 9 WG/TAG chairs, 2 chairs of
hibernating WGs and 2 member emeriti - 10 WGs/TAGs, but count Gilb
in officers, not as TAG chair - 18 members, 2/3 approval is 12
affirmative votes

James Gilb IEEE 802 Second Vice Chair

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