Re: [STDS-802-11-TGBP] PDT Security General Update

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Hi Sam,

Sorry. I attached the wrong document. The correct document is attached now.

To address your question on whether SA and AA should use long ID (or called permanent ID or MAC address) or short ID --- SA and AA are only used in computing PTK = hash (PMK, ANonce, SNonce, AA, SA). They are not used as destination local address in AMP MAC header.

Best regards,

Hui

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Hi Hui,

Please see my reply to 1552. And in your 1060, I did not find any of my comments and your reply. Perhaps you did not attach the correct file? But essentially my comments in 1060 are the same as 1552 about AA and SA.

Thanks,

Sam

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Hi Sam,

Thanks for your comments! Please see my response next to your comments in the attached documents.

Best regards,

Hui

From: Sam Shi <Sam.Shi@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Subject: Re: [STDS-802-11-TGBP] PDT Security General Update

Hi Hui,

Thanks for the contributions. Please see my comments regarding AA and SA for 11-26/1060, attached.

I also put my comments in 1552.

Thanks,

Sam

From: Hui Luo <0000594db8d8d1cb-dmarc-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, September 1, 2026 8:31 PM
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Hi Rojan, Guy,

I agree --- let’s focus on technical aspects. Please review the following security documents at a higher priority than the general description in 11-26/1060.

https://mentor.ieee.org/802.11/dcn/26/11-26-1552-04-00bp-pdt-amp-security-pmk-generation.docx

https://mentor.ieee.org/802.11/dcn/26/11-26-1554-02-00bp-pdt-amp-security-data-exchange.docx

https://mentor.ieee.org/802.11/dcn/26/11-26-1557-01-00bp-pdt-amp-security-profile.docx

Why I put 11-26/1060 (already motioned) to review again is to remove the “TBD”s. I agree this general description has too much details. We can simplify it after we reach consensus on above documents that address these details.

Best regards,

Hui

From: Rojan Chitrakar <00002005fb56ded7-dmarc-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, September 1, 2026 11:10 PM
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Subject: Re: [STDS-802-11-TGBP] PDT Security General Update

Hi Guy,

My personal opinion is that we should focus our energy on agreeing/finalizing the technical aspects of AMP security PDTs for D1.0; the text is already “heavy” to review as is, at least for me 😊. We can always come back and fix the terminologies at a later stage (e.g., we could say AMP Security is based on existing RSNA security algorithms etc.). I think all of us are on the same page regarding not defining new terms. I still think Hui’s general section goes into way too much detail, which is better left to the other (non-general) section. More the (avoidable) text, more the likelihood of comments on the LB.

Best Regards,

Rojan Chitrakar

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Subject: Re: [STDS-802-11-TGBP] PDT Security General Update

Hi Rojan,

I see your point and I do share your concerns about the mandatory aspects of RSNA requirements. I wonder if there is an easy simple way to say that AMP uses RSNA security algorithms without coining a new word for this.

On Tue, Sep 1, 2026 at 3:09 AM Rojan Chitrakar <rojan.chitrakar@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Hi Guy,

RSNA comes with lots of associated features and requirements (see 12.2.5 RSNA assumptions and constraints), most of which may not apply to AMP. I agree that AMP should use applicable RSNA features (e.g., CCMP), but my opinion is that we should evaluate whether AMP STAs can fulfil the RSNA requirements, before claiming that AMP STAs may establish an RSNA. As an example, RSN element (RSNE) is mandatory for an RSNA STA.

Best Regards,

Rojan Chitrakar

From: Guy-Armand Kamendje <guy-armand@xxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2026 10:42 AM
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Hi Rojan,

Please see my response related to RSNA in the document attached.

G

On Thu, Aug 27, 2026 at 9:47 PM Hui Luo <0000594db8d8d1cb-dmarc-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Hi Rojan,

Thanks for your comments! Please see my responses to your questions in the attached document.

Best regards,

Hui

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Hi Hui,

Added some comments; I repeat one of my comments here:

I think the general section should not go into this level of detail; this is best left to next sub-clauses. just highlight the general purpose here;. 12.14.1 General (OWE) is a very good example.

Best Regards,

Rojan Chitrakar

From: Guy-Armand Kamendje <guy-armand@xxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2026 11:35 AM
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Hello Hui,

Please find my suggestions/comments for this PDT document attached.

Regards,

G

On Sat, Aug 15, 2026 at 3:44 PM Hui Luo <0000594db8d8d1cb-dmarc-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Hi All,

I have suggested some updates on PDT Security General in order to resolve TBDs in this subclause and better prepare the subsequent subclauses. Please review it at https://mentor.ieee.org/802.11/dcn/26/11-26-1060-02-00bp-pdt-amp-security-general.docx.

Hi Bo,

Please queue it for PDT presentation.

Thanks,

Hui

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