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Re: [802SEC] Motion to return 802.20 to individual voting rights

Tony, et al,

I believe the 802.20 WG has already told the EC how it wants to proceed
with its future work.  In the closing EC meeting of March 2008, the EC
approved the submission of two new PARs for 802.20.  These are in the
minutes as items 5.07 and 5.08 here:

As you can see in the minutes, the PAR submitted with item 5.08
indicates that the balloting method will be "individual" in section 4.1.
While it might be argued that the other choice, "entity" is not the same
as the voting method currently in use in the WG or on the sponsor ballot
for their original standard, I think the sentiment of the WG is clearly
expressed in that PAR form.

Another indication of the sentiment of the WG is that they have not
changed their P&P to institutionalize the block voting method they were
directed to use for their original standard.  Surely if that method
worked well for them and they found it desirable to continue its use,
the WG would have modified their P&P to indicate that position.


> -----Original Message-----
> From: ***** IEEE 802 Executive Committee List ***** [mailto:STDS-802-
> SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG] On Behalf Of Tony Jeffree
> Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 4:08 AM
> Subject: Re: [802SEC] Motion to return 802.20 to individual voting
> rights
> James -
> I believe reverting 802.20 to individual voting rights without giving
> the WG a chance to make their views known is premature - they may
> feel that the existing voting regime is working for them and they
> want to keep it that way. I suggest we leave it up to the WG to make
> a request of the EC in July if that is what they want.
> Regards,
> Tony
> At 00:12 25/06/2008, James Gilb wrote:
> >All
> >
> >Some corrections (thanks to Bob Grow).
> >
> >June 2006, SASB took action removing 802.20 officers
> >December 2007 (not 2008) dissolving SASB oversight committee and
> >returning all oversight to the EC.
> >
> >I verified that the UC-EC meet in San Francisco in closed session,
> >July 16, 2007.  The public minutes state that the following motion
> >was approved:
> >
> >"Effective immediately, all votes and ballots in the 802.20 working
> >group shall be conducted on the basis of entity affiliation, with
> >one vote per entity.  Entities and affiliation shall e as determined
> >by the 802 EC 802.20 OC, based on members' declarations of their
> >primary affiliation and other information available to the OC."
> >
> >It has been pointed out to me that we can do entity voting
> >(apparently mixed voting was done away with, but is still listed in
> >the IEEE SA web pages) under the rules defined by the SA.  This may
> >require some clarifications to the 802 EC P&P and OM as well as the
> >802.20 P&P and OM.
> >
> >It was also pointed out that 802.20 did not use entity voting
> >process, it used one based on voting blocs.
> >
> >If 802.20 (or any other group) wants to create a PAR with entity
> >voting or to modify a current PAR so that it uses entity voting.
> >
> >The goal of the motion is to return 802.20 to its original state and
> >to allow 802.20 members to determine the best course of action,
> >including, if they wish, to switch to entity voting.
> >
> >James Gilb
> >
> >PS: Thanks for the responses from everyone that helped me to clarify
> >the history and status of 802.20.
> >
> >James Gilb wrote:
> >>All
> >>I am looking for a second for this one.  Paul N. will determine the
> >>valid voting pool (all EC or UC-EC).
> >>Rationale:
> >>On 16 July 2007, the UC-EC voted to make voting for 802.20 to be
> >>based on entity affiliation.
> >>SASB returned oversight of the 802.20 WG to the UC-EC in December
> 2007.
> >>Dec 2008 SASB minutes -- "Move to (1) disband the SASB Oversight
> >>Committee, and (2) return oversight control to the 802 Executive
> >>Committee with an offer of continuing support for situations where
> the
> >>802 EC wishes to seek our help."
> >>The above motion passed after reviewing the EC motion from November
> 2006
> >>requesting that "the NC-EC be dissolved once the 802.20 standard is
> >>approved by the SASB."
> >>The 802.20 standard has been approved by the SASB.
> >>Motion
> >>-------------
> >>Moved to return the 802.20 working group to individual voting at the
> >>beginning of the July 2008 plenary meeting. Voting rights shall be
> >>determined on historical attendance credits per the 802.20 P&P, and
> >>superior rules.
> >>--------------
> >>Furthermore, the 802.20 rules and the 802 LMSC rules do not
> >>explicitly deal with entity voting Working Groups (For example,
> >>what constitutes an entity?  In 802.20 sponsor ballot, various
> >>individuals were grouped by the oversight committee into a single
> entity vote.)
> >>If we want to convert 802.20 to entity or mixed balloting group, we
> >>should take to the time to write the P&P to support this.  In the
> >>mean time, I think it would be best to return 802.20 to where it
> >>James Gilb
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