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Re: [802SEC] Electronic Participation in Interim Meetings

EC members (and other interested parties);

Below, please find a draft set of hypothesis and straw polls (metrics)
for the electronic participation experiment.  These were not fully
proofed by the originating group, but at this point so many people have
seen them I might as well distribute them.  They are of course open for

Unfortunately I have a lot more issues to deal with this week end, so I
need to sign off on this for a while.  I defer to Paul and the rest of
the EC to determine what happens next.  Again, this is just an
experiment to collect a data point.  This is not for permanent
implementation.  I recognize much debate is required at the EC level
before it can move beyond this experiment.

Best Regards,


Purpose:  To investigate the use of electronic participation at IEEE 802
interim session meetings.  


Background:  There is interest in allowing electronic participation
(Teleconference, Webex, etc) at IEEE 802 Interim meetings.  As an
experiment, use of these techniques is being permitted at the January
2009 Wireless Interim just for the TV Whitespace Executive Committee
Study Group (ECSG).  As a precondition for allowing electronic
participation at those meetings, the IEEE 802 Chair has required that a
hypothesis be stated concerning what benefit electronic participation
would have, metrics be developed to validate or disprove the hypothesis,
and collection of data to which the metrics would be applied and
analysis conducted.  The analysis would be presented to the IEEE 802
Executive Committee for their consideration.  It is intended that if
electronic participation were generally permitted at IEEE 802 Interim
sessions the use of such techniques would be left to individual Working
Groups (WG) to decide.  If implemented, the Chair of the WG would need
to ensure that it is administered in a fair fashion. It is unlikely that
IEEE 802 attendance credit could be granted for electronic participation
due to various issues.


Hypothesis: The quality of resulting standards is higher if other IEEE
802 WG / external organizations can participate electronically at
interim sessions vs not having electronic participation at those



Straw polls (Metrics):  The following questions shall be straw polled
(as metrics) during the last TV Whitespace ECSG meeting of the January
2009 Wireless Interim.  Both in-person and electronic participants
should participate and answer the questions as to how they personally
feel allowing electronic participation affected the parameter I
question.  Some questions allow an 'integer' range of response from
negative (-) 5 to positive (+) 5 including 0 (no impact or no opinion).
That is, -5, -4, -3, -2, -1, 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 are the only valid
responses.  Negative values imply the responder feels the metric being
considered was impacted (overall) negatively.  Positive values imply the
metric was impacted (overall) positively.


How did you participate in the meeting - electronically or
non-electronically? (Electronically / Non-electronically)


Do you feel that the meeting was conducted more or less fairly with
electronic participants than without? (-5/+5)


Did having electronic participation available increase or decrease your
effectiveness in the standards process? (-5/+5)


Did having electronic participation available increase or decrease your
ability to participate in the standards process vs not having electronic
participation? (-5/+5)


Would you participate electronically if you were required to pay the
incremental costs for providing electronic participation? (Yes / No)

Matthew Sherman, Ph.D. 
Engineering Fellow 
BAE Systems -  Network Systems (NS) 
Office: +1 973.633.6344 
Cell: +1 973.229.9520 

-----Original Message-----
From: ***** IEEE 802 Executive Committee List *****
[] On Behalf Of Sherman, Matthew J. (US SSA)
Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 12:54 PM
Subject: [802SEC] Electronic Participation in Interim Meetings

EC Members,


I have received requests from TV Whitespace ECSG members to allow
electronic participation (teleconference / Webex) for the ECSG meetings
at the upcoming Wireless Interim in LA.  I have discussed this with the
IEEE 802.11 Chair (Bruce) who has no objection, and made sure that
appropriate facilities are available.  I checked with the IEEE 802 chair
(Paul) who said he would permit electronic participation for the ECSG at
the interim if it was conducted as an 'Experiment' (with hypothesis and
metrics) to see if it adds clear value to the standards process.
Accordingly we have formulated a hypothesis and metrics and plan to
conduct three two hour meetings at the wireless interim that include
electronic participation, and will conduct straw polls at the end of the
session to see if the metrics support our hypothesis.   We will make the
results of this experiment available to the EC at the March session,
along with other planned outputs from the ECSG.


If you have any questions about this, please feel free to contact me.


Best Regards,

Matthew Sherman 
Chair, IEEE802 Whitespace ECSG 
BAE Systems -  Network Systems (NS) 
Office: +1 973.633.6344 
Cell: +1 973.229.9520 


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